You've provided many scans, but none of them, in any way, shape, or form, indicate that Dormammu is on par with Odin or close to him in power. Those specific statements are part of the scans about Dormammu and his relation to the Dark Dimension...Nothing else. The War of the Seven Spheres is referenced numerous times as the biggest and most important mystical event between the greatest mystical entities out there and Dormammu took out many of them. I don't know at all. Merging the power of Umar with himself. I've read all of Pluto's appearances and I know how powerful the character is. If Odin loses, Earth is doomed. Firstly Dormammu was amped up because he absorbed the power of Earth 691 counterpart. However then you have Greg Pak saying he can't remember if hulk survived the planet explosion and he thinks no, but it is clearly shown on panel he survived, since Gregg admitted he isn't sure with the whole world breaker thing its best to go with what is shown on panel since the writer isn't sure in that case. He does not have prep time and must battle Dormmamu with his "standard gear" (use your best judgment of the words standard and gear). Fight till the death. There should be scarce little Living Tribunal couldn't do. Oh really? You didn't back up anything when your entire argument can only be supported by the Handbook's page of 2007 without any other further evidence or proofs. Dormammu also died or was already dead when Strange sent his energies across multiple dimensions, in fact, we can see this by his dialogue with Stephen: We even have Strange himself said that Dormammu needed them to reconstitute his essence( His life): Another thing we have is Strange saying that his plan was to beat Dormammu before the same arrived at his full power and control, which according to your logic is only possible after being reborn on Earth: The thing that most got me is that looks like you're not aware of said instances...Or the ones similar to that such as the scan posted below: Dormammu's essence basically was regenerated on the Dark Dimension( Not even on Earth) by his followers and then put to ''grow'' inside of Earth's core....This is basically the same thing as gathering all his energies in multiple dimensions and the regenerated on Earth given that Dormy basically did the same thing in the past, in fact, I could say that it applies even more in the sense of ''Rebirth'': Just look at the panel below( I even posted it before): 1- Dormammu used Gaea's energies to regenerate himself, just like when he used the energies of the heroes. Odin's Magic is leagues past both of those two, and not by a small margin. Strange, Odin and Zeus have superior artifacts they can access, while Dormammu would have been a HUGE help for a magic user, sadly neither Thanos nor Kang are magic users. Can you post which EXACT part of those "wiki" posts, you disagree with? If this is Odin at full power and bloodlusted, then I see him possibly defeating Dormammu, especially if Dormammu has to leave the Dark Dimension to fight Odin. On a Cosmic Conflict that even attracted him, I think as someone who is supposed to maintain the balance in the MU, he would use all the resources. For your viewing pleasure: http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/battle-forum-rules-30-all-users-read-1767034/#1. All your proof at this point that Dormammu gets weaker outside of his realm was a Wiki's quote and no more than that(Which doesn't even have the sources to backup). Which has very evident during Defenders Vol.#3: Dormammu easily defeated Umar during DSSS#22 even though she was thinking of having won. Odin is the best and also the worst in that regards. So its 1 - 1 , Dormammu vs … Factors: If Dormmamu is victorious, he gets planet Earth. 3. Shuma wasn't even made his first appearance back then different from Odin, it's not like the Writers can see the characters they're gonna to create in the future. My entire point is that Strange possess certain advantages(And does) when fighting Dormammu, which doesn't translate into being a better magician. It's funny that you mentioned Pluto to Dormammu as well since Mephisto and the others were( Pluto himself being one of them) so scared of Dormammu that their only option was to team-up against him and then freeze the Hell instead of fighting head on against the Dread One, who was inside of Mephisto's own Dimension. I am not sure why a retcon, or a lack thereof, would change the argument. I mentioned multiples each topic of your argument that I was addressing. Or has an artifact that is implicit poisonous to Dormammu(The Eye)? I don't see how he could be compared to Loki or even Odin, if so. Doctor Strange during Strange Tales#146, who has far more knowledge about Eternity and Dormammu than you ever will and was even present during the event, said himself so: And do they even need to say so? When Dormammu attacked Strange, Ancient One said that he should seek the help of only one being powerful enough to help to him against the Dread One: With multiple beings out there, they still need to find Eternity since was their only hope: Dormammu was very aware of Eternity's existence: Another proof of them being represented as equals were their fight against Zom: Dormammu and Eternity were necessary against Zom and needed to team up to defeat him. If you're looking for a strictly magic user, that would be Dr. Furthermore, since Living Tribunal has never invoked the powers of the Old Ones, are we going to claim said flames are somehow more powerful than those of Shuma Gorath and co? I wasn't even using them as feats to show Dormammu's power begin with it. didnt he just lose to magik and a nerffed magneto? You call my posts baseless, although I find extremely hypocrite of your part since I've used comics and established information going from official sources to scans with the intuit to provide my point by using things from none than Marvel itself. Many other things are without of context and still users believe in them, like that claim of Dormammu mentioning how Loki's evil powers nearly rivaling it's own. You really need to start reading more about the character before making claims of things without knowing nothing about it. So Pluto didn't beat Classic Strange? I am not sure I entirely understand or agree. All the things together go to a single point that is the most logical conclusion....Zom's power dwarfs Eternity's own. He simply made a prediction. You didn't post anything aside from that page like scans confirming or other Handbook's to truly validate your claim.....It doesn't help you when your only evidence is the topic of the discussion and of my questioning. Take a close look at your arguments so far and then you'll see what truly is pathetic .My exaggerated claims? Dormammu hasn't demonstrated feats showing he can battle Odin or Zeus. I have a Thanos, love him, and now almost at enough materials to do either Odin or Dormammu. Dormammu wasn't even expecting the Watcher in the first place and this was one of his master plans with Loki that they had quite a time to prepare, so can you really blame for acting on the defensive against Uatu by trying to protect his schemes? Are you claiming that he wouldn't try his best to maintain the balance? Most of them aren't even feats but just random collections of statements, these statements don't even prove anything, you're twisting the statements to fit into your narrative. Dishonest? Am I the one twisting the narrative? Which brings us back to the main weakness in your argument. That's not really a very good justification of why using the said flames somehow suggests its superiority to Odin force when by its very nature the former is easier to invoke. Tell me who's that impressive again? I've not just used one single statement and have also explained. If you follow the Handbook's words blinded, then would mean that Dormammu suddenly gets weaker outside of his dimension......And I think you'll agree with me that this doesn't make sense without any explanations( The Handbook doesn't even give one).

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